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11 May 2005 @ 09:32 pm
On vid clip theft  
I'm really sorry, fellow vidders, but I just *had* to let it all out.


Dear assholes thieves,

Stop it.
Just stop it.
I've seriously had enough of it.

Now I'm going to say this one more time and MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THIS FUCKING DEAL ONCE AND FOR ALL.

DON'T STEAL OUR CLIPS.

How hard is it for you to understand? Why do you think most (if not all) video websites have something like "Vid clip theft will not be tolerated" in at least one of their pages?
Why do you think we call it stealing? Do you think it's nice? What society are you from where stealing is nice???

Vidding is not easy.
It's not easy at all. It takes a great deal of effort from our part to make vids, and I'm not talking about marterpieces or anything, I'm talking vids in general. Vidding is not just finding a song that fits this or that movie/series/character/whatever. So lets go through all the basic steps of vidding so hopefully you'll get the idea, shall we?

1) Finding the song
Ok, that's hard, I admit it. Sometimes it's already in your head and you have an epiphany or anything, but most of the time you see vidders digging everywhere, looking for good songs anywhere they can find them, looking for inspiration.

2) Ripping
That's the part you guys don't seem to get. Ripping is basically getting the scenes you need to your computer, but apparently you don't understand just how tiring this is.
Of course it can only work if you have a DVD drive on your computer, or a capture card or anything, and yes, that means money. We spend money buying the DVD drive, buying the DVDs themselves, and buying the editing programs, and we do exactly what you people don't do, which is ASKING SOMEONE FOR HELP, someone who has been vidding for some time, some vidder you admire, some webmaster of a site you visit often, or simply searching around the internet for tutorials or sites that give guides on how to rip DVDs. We did that, so why can't you?
Now, the ripping itself takes some HOURS, and I don't mean hours of searching/downloading (though they might take quite some time). So we may include patience to our list of what is required for vidding.

However, lets say you really don't have money to buy the editing programs. Did you ever have a proper look at your computer? 'Cause, seriously, if you have the codecs to play all the videos you download, then you MUST have an editing program on your computer already.
"Movie Maker" actually makes movies... seriously. I'm not kidding.

And, finally...

3) Editing
Now we come to a topic that sets us further apart.
Editing is probably the toughest part of all. It might just take a few hours, but it can go on for months. Now, you don't get just how tricky a simple cut can be, do you?
Cutting one scene to another can have a number of different meanings in a vid, like placing two similar scenes together, following the beat of the song, creating a whole different scene, setting a mood for the video (yup, cuts play a huge part in that), or maybe just following the lyrics, but there are plenty of others that I won't bother remembering right now.
You guys, however, don't ever stop and think about it 'cause everytime you use an edit of ours, the cutting is already done.


Mind you, this is just the basics. There's A LOT more to it and I don't feel like explaining every single thing right now 'cause I'm still pissed at that e-mail I got today.


So now I'm going to enter the topic that some thieves use as an excuse to what they're doing.

Just because we're making videos it doesn't mean we're stealing anything from the movies, people!
Fade to Black gives a very good explanation, and here's something maybe you didn't know:

"Up to 5 mins per 1 hour of video/film shot can be used by ANYONE for promotional, spoofs, commentaries, or examples. So for television this works out to about 4 mins for a 45 min episode...not too bad."

We're not stealing by making our vids.
We're doing fan work, it's a tribute to the song/movie/series/etc, we're doing this because we love them.
Not to mention one of the reasons we're using scenes from the movies is because we can't go to the set, ask the crew if they can lend us one of their cameras and shoot or own scenes! And we try our best to make the scenes fit our idea, by cropping the screen, using scenes from different movies, whatever... Creativity also plays a major part in making vids.


Did you guys get the idea here? Vidding is not simple, all vidders have to work hard to make the best videos they can. We share experiences, knowledge and thoughts to try and improve our vidding and help other people too.
And YES, you read that right, we like to HELP! No one is born knowing what a VOB file is. Most of us (if not all) asked other vidders for help when we were beginning to make our videos. It's a difficult thing to do and I get the feeling most of you steal just because you're too lazy to go through the whole process.
Well, that certainly doesn't help. We vidders go through a lot of stress just because you guys decided to go the easy way.
That's not fair now, is it?


I'm Di, English is not my first language, and I spent a lot of time writting this post (and probably murdering the English language along the way) just because I'm sick and tired of getting hurt, frustrated, angry and stressed many times in a row, always because of the same crap you make us go through with what you're doing.

I won't let you ruin vidding for us and I won't let you turn something so fun into something so stressful.


No love,
Di...a proud vidder
 
 
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Ashinae: grumpy now[info]ashinae on May 12th, 2005 01:03 am (UTC)
Here's a big hearty "word" to everything you've just said!

*hugs you lots*
Di[info]di_br on May 12th, 2005 01:05 am (UTC)
Thanks, hon!

Your icon sure looks a lot like me right now...

*Hugs*
Marie[info]wildswanspond on May 12th, 2005 01:32 am (UTC)
clip theft
I couldn't have said it better myself!

When I first started making videos I had a lot of help. But it was a tv show fandom that I was vidding and everyone I knew captured video from a capture card or got it from a friend that was converting the episodes for us. When I decided I wanted to make movie vids, I knew no one that knew how to do it. I had never heard the word ripping. I had to find everything on the internet and learn it from scratch. Confusion, trial and error, frustration, you name it. I've also had times where the ripping and conversion methods I was using stopped working due to problems my computer developed. I spent a solid week last year trying one conversion method after another until I finally found something I could import into my editing program.

Cutting clips is tedious, boring and time-consuming. We spend a lot of time choosing transitions, filters and tweaking the brightness etc., finding extra frames that sneak in and cutting them out. How dare anyone think our work is just there for the taking. :-(




Jenn: Roar[info]zeromuchjenn on May 12th, 2005 01:34 am (UTC)
I absolutely agree with you. As I've said before...I don't mind if someone uses my vid to PRACTICE editing for the first time, but they can NOT use my vid as their source for their finished product (not that anyone has wanted to).

I hope more people get into vidding, but NOT at the expense of the vidders who have worked hours and hours upon hours ripping and editing. My gawd how I hate ripping...I sure as hell don't want anyone else getting off the hook that easily ;)
Lenna[info]lennaofmidearth on May 12th, 2005 02:01 am (UTC)
*stands up and cheers*

Too tired to say much right now, but I linked to this from my LJ.
Signal to Noise: Battlestar Starbuck WooHoo[info]un4scene on May 12th, 2005 02:18 am (UTC)
You, my dear, are wonderful. You've worded that wonderfully and I could not agree more. It's all about the fun and joy of it, don't let them steal your joy. :)
we're done professionally.[info]vivisco on May 12th, 2005 03:52 am (UTC)
*cheers and applause*

I couldn't agree with you more. Even though it's only happened to me once, it felt so awful seeing my vid cut into pieces like that.
It sucks that you've had to deal with this so much, and I'm glad you could let out some of your frustration :)

*hugs*
Juliana[info]eledhwen_girl on May 12th, 2005 04:01 am (UTC)
Di vc disse tudo! Isso nunca aconteceu comigo, mas tb eu sou meio que nova no que se refere a videos e só tenho 5 vids. Até agora não tive problemas com esses ladrõezinhos(as) ..bem ...pelo menos eu nunca soube de nada.
Agora, isso é chato demais. É o maior trabalho pra se fazer um music video e muita paciencia tb! Eu nao cheguei a passar dias...mas eu passo horas...tardes inteiras...as vezes entrando pela madrugada..só trabalhando num video.
É gostoso de fazer e todo o trabalho vale a pena...mas putz...não é brincadeira o tempo que a gente passa fazendo um video de 3 minutinhos...4.. p/ chegar uma estrela e passar a mão.
Td bem ...um novato chegar e usar para aprender..mas pára por ai.
Eu quero aproveitar e agradecer a sua ajuda quando eu nao sabia nem pra onde ia nesse lance de video makers...valeu pelos links dos tutoriais!

Vou colocar um link pra esse post lá no meu lj! Acho ele muito importante!

Beijosss
Manders[info]sandamazwich on May 12th, 2005 04:39 am (UTC)
Here here!!! *cheers*

You that e-mail too? The one from that one chick asking to use the HP videos? I got that which I don't even know why cuz I don't make Harry Potter vids, but that's beside the point.

And trust me, you SO did not murder the English Language (and you should know I'm serious since I'm American so naturally English is my first language)

and also, I asked for help. It really isn't that hard. I asked YOU and you were SO willing (and still are ^_^ mucho love to you! *hug*) to help.

I just don't see why people have to be lazy...*sigh*

Mucho Love,

Manders
mademoiselle: ____nikki____[info]deuxcoeurs on May 12th, 2005 08:45 am (UTC)
Very well said! *applauds you* I admire your videos so much [and of course, I'm also a big fan of [info]ana_br and [info]vivisco's work] that I can't stand it as well if there's some people out there who just don't understand all the effort you guys go through to make wonderful videos. Hope after reading this, people will finally realize. *hugs*
[info]kt_n on May 12th, 2005 05:12 pm (UTC)
AMEN.

God, what is wrong with these people? It takes FOREVER to make a vid, and these people randomly come up, download your vid, and in about twenty minutes botch it enough, manipulate it, so that you feel like a pile of crap because you went to all that trouble to make a vid that you were SO proud of, and this theif just takes that away in all of twenty minutes. *headdesk* When will they ever learn? When I started vidding, I didn't steal clips. I don't see why it's so hard to ASK!? This stuff is too stressful, you're totally right...
Teh Snarky One[info]fox_gloves on May 12th, 2005 06:29 pm (UTC)
All my comments to this were in the previous post you made. ^^
(Anonymous) on May 12th, 2005 07:32 pm (UTC)
You go girl! You have a right to be angry and I applaud the eloquence with which you made your case. This should be a must-read for all new vidders.

Thanks.

~Natalie
[info]smoixa on September 11th, 2005 06:07 am (UTC)
I totally agree with you. You put in words what I've been trying to express to EVERYONE who has been jacking my stuff.

Anyways, I'm a proud vidder as well, however, I never went through a long process of learning. Vidding comes natural to me, I guess. hehe. And I don't know about you, but I only spend an hour or two editing a vid. Maybe that's why mine aren't as great as yours. Yet, the frustation is felt all the same.

As you know (since I commented on your tagboard), you're... like, my vidding hero. lol.

Don't worry, you didn't butcher the English language at all. In fact, your written speech is articulated properly...better than most people.

Happy Vidding!
Nouvelle Rebelle.: Rupert Grint[info]rose_of_love on April 13th, 2006 08:56 pm (UTC)
I can say, I have NEVER done a vid, but from reading this, it really sounds like a hell of work. And it's bullshit, people just stealing such things though you've put so much energy in it. That's wrack and really ... stupid. And seriously, I wish all of this thiefs die. No joke, I feel with you and I agree totally.

And for you not having english as your first language, you wrote that post fantastic. I would have done it much worse, for sure, lol.

Keep your head up. ♥

Greatings.
Di[info]di_br on April 14th, 2006 12:38 am (UTC)
Oh wow! Thanks for the comment. ^^

It really is stupid what they're doing... but they're still doing it. And we vidders are getting more and more frustrated 'cause it seems for us that it's only getting worse.
So thanks for your thoughts! They do mean a lot.

"And for you not having english as your first language, you wrote that post fantastic."

Aw, thanks!
(Anonymous) on April 13th, 2006 08:58 pm (UTC)
Your so right Di! I understand how you feel... I can´t understand why people could do this... (sorry my english is not that good)

by, Jule
Di[info]di_br on April 14th, 2006 12:40 am (UTC)
Thanks, Jule! And don't worry, my English is not that good either.

I can't understand why people do it either... but they do it. And we have to find a way to deal with it. Thanks for your thoughts! ^^
Lauren: committee[info]lita64 on April 16th, 2006 04:55 am (UTC)
Hi di. I found this post through magicalthreetv.com and I wanted to voice my support. I am a huge fan of your videos (at Return to Innocence) and I hate the thought of someone stealing from such a talented artist. Don't let these thieves upset you too much and keep up with your great work! :)

P.S. Your English is very good. :)
(Anonymous) on May 14th, 2006 06:56 pm (UTC)
yeah you tell them! i probably would have swore a hell of a lot more but nicely put!

*~Katie~*
[info]smoixa on May 17th, 2006 12:10 am (UTC)
The sad thing is... most of the people who steal clips from our videos are the biggests fans of our work. I'm right with you Di. I've found over and e-mailed my anger over 50 clip thieves within three months. They have gone and made clip theft a "shrug off the shoulder" through YouTube.com. It's driving me nuts!

I figure that most of the clip thieves use Windows Movie Maker, so to prevent theft from even happening, maybe vidders should convert their videos to RealOne Player or QuickTime or just .avi or .mpeg. Those file types won't be able to be imported onto Windows Movie Maker. This is just a suggestion for you, Di. I'm currently looking into this myself. However, it's not very time effective since you have made so many videos and converting all of them would be time consuming.
(Anonymous) on May 19th, 2006 11:30 am (UTC)
I agree with you completely. On that note, I have a question: where can I go to report what I think might be clip theft on the SW Fanvids site? There's a chance I'm wrong, but I've seen clips in a recent video from a new vidder that are pretty similar to another video that was posted.

The video in question: "The Sound of Settling" by danceliketoday. Several clips in this vid look like something I saw in "White Flag" by mya scarlet (like clips of Obi-wan on the balcony which is tinted red and a "horizontally flipped" clip of Padme -- from TPM -- where she's looking out the window).

I think someone else should look at both videos and see what I'm talking about. Like I said, maybe I'm wrong and it would be nice for someone to back me up first. But I think "The Sound of Settling" has stolen clips in it.

Just so you know, I'm not mya scarlet, but I just happen to be an observant watcher who tends to pick up on these things. Frankly, I don't think it's a coincidence that both videos have the same clips.
Di[info]di_br on May 19th, 2006 12:33 pm (UTC)
wow... Thanks for the warning! As for where to report vid clip theft, you did good in telling me. If it ever happens on SW Fanvids, you can report it to either me or [info]fox_gloves and we'll check it out. Also, it would be good if you could tell mya scarlet, 'cause she's the one that can say for sure.

Thanks for the warning!
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(Anonymous) on May 29th, 2006 05:06 pm (UTC)
I quite agree with you! I just made my first video and it is fun but extremely painstaking and time consuming. I would be so annoyed if someone just came along and took my ideas and clips, as it does require imagination.
(Anonymous) on June 4th, 2006 07:18 pm (UTC)
some questions
Ok, this isn't exactly about the post, but just some questions on video ettiquete.
Is it ok to reuse a song for the same subject that has already been used if the clips, editing, and video are apparently different? For instance, I was making an Eowyn music video to a paticular song and while surfing the web, found that somebody else had already made a vid with the same song and subject.

Also, is posting a video with the same subject considered copying? For example one of my friends wanted to make a crossover comparing Eowyn's character to Elizabeth from Potc but we found another video around with that subject and she was wondering whether her video would be considered copying the idea.
emmawatson401us[info]emmawatson401us on June 12th, 2006 02:51 am (UTC)
I am also a vidder. I completly understand how it must feel. I have like 3 cds full of clips that i have found on the net.Its not easy find them. It sometimes takes me two months to make a vid. I have two programs. onethat imake dvds then one that i make a vid to put on the net.
icy_spring[info]icy_spring on June 13th, 2006 03:18 pm (UTC)
And what if i come from a country where isn't any chace to buy that DvD, or what if your do not have the mony or the right computer? I havent got any of this, i do videos for my own fun, not beacuse i want to show how genius i am. I credit if i take someones clips,or ask his or hers permission. You said it is not the same to take from a series, or a movie clip, beacause it is just a short clip, but what if i want the same from your music video for example, just 2 or 3 second. i do not want to steal from you just want to make something special. It is all about impress yourself, not to make mony out of it, or earn attention. I can not understand why are you so pissed off. Ok it was hard to rip the dvd...
But it was hard work for the cast and the crew to make taht few second in the film too, they can be angry too.

It is like with the fanfictions. it was a hard work for Rowling to write the books, but it is cool. And inspire me to write a fanfic useing her characters and some of her ideas. Am i have to write the whole book, to have the right to make a fanfiction, wich shows my ideas, my thoughts? It is not mine, but it is inspire me to make my own story with using some of her toughts. Is that stealing? It is the biggest honour when somebody inspired by my work. I do not makethe exatly same video, I add a different music, diffenerent plot, with different sceens. And i get a different thing, wich can be great.

I know you will protest fiercly, one of my part is understand you, and i am a little ashamed to use clips from others movie, but i cant help if i want to make my own video. Beacuse I would like to do one. And I dont think there isn't anybody who never used a clip from somebody, even if it was just onesecond.
vodka88[info]vodka88 on September 7th, 2006 08:43 am (UTC)
Taking a clip from a movie is different from taking a clip from a music video. When you make a music video, people don't praise you for the footage, they praise you for how you altered the footage to fit the song. They already know you didn't film the TV show, hence you don't get credit for that. You get credit for your editing.

If you live in a country where there isn't a chance to buy the DVD and you've looked EVERYWHERE on the net to get footage, don't hesitate to ask vidders for help. I've sent unaltered video clips to many people who wanted to make a video of their own. You know why? Because I'm interested in other people's work, and I'd rather send them video clips, then have them steal from mine.

When I make a video, about every single clip is altered to fit my needs. Whether that be a slight change in the speed (I have a complex vidding program that lets me change speed by even 1%), the coloring or the panning. Its hard work, and I don't appreciate people stealing it.

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madpassionate1[info]madpassionate1 on January 9th, 2007 02:48 am (UTC)
HERE HERE!
(Anonymous) on March 7th, 2007 05:36 am (UTC)
*cheers!*
I am a HUGE fan of yours. You have no idea. I've been watching your video's forever, and only in this past year have I begun to vid on my own. It is so difficult, and I've already had run-ins with theives. I totally agree with you. It's ridiculous! Thanks for taking a stand. Most people are to lazy or to afraid to do anything. Horray for backbones!
bluebird2073318[info]bluebird2073318 on June 15th, 2007 01:51 pm (UTC)
Kudos to you! When i started making videos, it was a trial and error type of thing. When i was getting ready to create my 3rd video, i had to rip an entire season, just for one video! 22 episodes in 3 weeks! NOT FUN! I had to sit there, on the computer, and wait up to 5 hours just to upload one measly little episode onto the computer. Gah! When will they get off their lazy butts and do it themselfs!
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